mino actually quite enjoyed showing his old photo albums

cfb
teh (now old) newses
( plentyofants, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:26, archived)

Pffft!
I like how happy he looks.
(Green Spanner Is addicted to mint imperials, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:26, archived)

hahahaha!

( god save the queen if in doubt shop the queen, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:29, archived)

haha
They really should stop those experiments, though. They're against nature and against God and I dread to think what awful things could come of them.
The name of medical science isn't always a good thing - remember thalidomide? Just saying...
( Mushroom, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:29, archived)

Psssht
It's God's fault for having not already made minotaurs!
( Addyjoe, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:30, archived)

i think he gave up after what happened with the unicorns

( plentyofants, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:32, archived)

Ahaha
Genuine 'lol'TM
( Addyjoe, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:33, archived)

Yeah I'd like to hear you say that when all the thalidomide children jokes disappear from the /board

(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:30, archived)

I know exactly what youre talking about.
I was reading some literature the other week about it that a friend of mine was given at a conference about it. It seems wholly unnecessary to me!
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:30, archived)

being serious for a second
the only reason they're using animal eggs is because human eggs are such a rare resource and they don't want to go using them for experiments when there's people who need them for fertility treatment and such.
By removing most of the genetic material from an animal egg, they can get an almost identically structured embryo from which to extract stem cells.
( Mushroom, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:34, archived)

I understand that.
But is part of the problem with the system for donation? If there were anonymity for donors, I think that there would not be so much of a deficit in donations.
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:38, archived)

No, that's not the problem.
They are cultivating the eggs to get stem cells. The eggs have to be fertilised to get stem cells, which means so far they can only harvest a few human stem cells from placenta.

Well that's what I was led to believe anyway.
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:41, archived)

But dont they throw away
most umbillical cords and Placenta though? Surely that would solve a large part of the problem....
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:44, archived)

There's sod all stem cells in them though, regardless of whether there is a decent mandatory donation and storage system, which is why they are trying to manufacture them.

(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:46, archived)

Fair enough.
The only thing that worries me really is the regulation of it all.

*fears it turning into the Boosh scenario*
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:48, archived)

You'd need their permission to use it.
I don't know how easy it is to get ethical consent from someone who's in labour.
But it's probably possible, I don't know.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:47, archived)

Aye,
but theyd have 9 months to get the permission surely :)
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:54, archived)

Yeah, there's probably ways to do it.
But it all depends on whether it's a viable source or not, which I don't know.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:56, archived)

True.
By the way, I will put together that recipe for you for the Seafood Linguine tomorrow and Gaz it to you.
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:58, archived)

Nah,
harvesting eggs isn't like sperm donation, it requires an operation, and operations have a significant amount of associated risk. Unsurprisingly enough the ladies ain't knocking down doors to put their health and fertility on the line for scientific research, so the scientists are trying to get access to a workable alternative.
( tomsk, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:47, archived)

Fair enough.
I dont know much about egg cultivation and donation really. I saw a documentary a few months back though about Sperm donation and it shocked me how few people do donate it.

Thats another story though....
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:50, archived)

Besides, anything
that the Catholic church describes as "monstrous" has to have something going for it.
( tomsk, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:06, archived)

you never know it could cure cancer....
**Really wants a platypuss/monkey**
( Sheehan forevermore owes Ttssattsr beer, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:31, archived)

just because we ca do something
doesn't always mean we should

i have yet to hear a convincing argument to support these chimera thingies
( mictoboy a whisper in a tornado, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:35, archived)

what about the ones in this thread?
To get to human eggs, you have to cut someone up. People don't like being cut up.
It's quite possible that research with embryos could have benefits in terms of curing disease.
I'm not an expert, but so many Scientists wouldn't be doing this for no reason. They'll be doing it because they suspect it'll help people.
This is supposed to be a way to provide a viable and more ethical source for this research.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:38, archived)

this is why we need more MAD SCIENTISTS

( mutster101 is honour-bound by a sacred trust., Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:44, archived)

Just you wait till I finish my mountain lair.

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:49, archived)

I trust a scientist's word
more than superstitious folk who believe in some grand magical guy; this god geezer would have to be an utter cunt if you think about it, looking at the natural world not least before we touch our own.

I resent their superstitious morality potentially effecting the quality of our lives in the future given genetic or not, a lot of us are going to be affected by unnatural deterioration's in our bodies and the onset of diseases medical research could potentially combat, and make our final breath's more peaceful.
( Jahled All is red ex during the day, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:43, archived)

Dont get me wrong,
if it saves lives and cures diseases then yes, I would never argue against it. But I do get the feeling that there are other ways.
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:46, archived)

Why would scientists bother with all this if there was a simple alternative?

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:48, archived)

I'm not saying simple alternatives
but possible ones.

To be honest with you, I am not well read enough on the subject to argue vehemently against it. As I said before though, its the regulation of it that worries me.
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:51, archived)

Possibly. Like I said, I'm no expert in this area.
I agree, it's something that we'll need to keep an eye on.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:54, archived)

Bah.
Lets just leave it and make great food instead :)
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:55, archived)

Haha, I made the seafood risotto for tea.
With squid, prawns and mussels. Very nice.
How was the pie?
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:56, archived)

I decided against putting it in pastry and
made it into burgers instead :)

It was lovely though.
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:59, archived)

Glad to hear it.

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:02, archived)

if this didn't already make perfect sense, i'd redefine 'perfect sense' so this was it

( mutster101 is honour-bound by a sacred trust., Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:47, archived)

please understand
I was taking the piss with the post you replied to, I agree with this wholeheartedly :P
( Mushroom, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:54, archived)

;)
I've had to walk through religious nutters outside an abortion clinic yelling in my face with a naturally already freaked-out girl friend

Religious people have every right to their particular beliefs (to a reasonable point), but not imposing it on the rest of society, there they can fuck right off. If specialist scientists say their methods of research is necessary, they are a bit more knowledgeable than some twat of the cloth obsessed with some books written by people about two thousand years ago
( Jahled All is red ex during the day, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:10, archived)

Arf!
But on a serious note, can someone please explain to me the actual need for human animal hybrid cells?
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:29, archived)

great fun

( plentyofants, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:30, archived)

one word! SUPER-HEROES!

( Sheehan forevermore owes Ttssattsr beer, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:30, archived)

you bastard
I was trying to do the serious note and get everybody riled up, you've totally stolen my thunder ;)
( Mushroom, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:31, archived)

Because they can manufacture them easily, whereas normal human stem cells are hard to come by.
From which they can do various experimentation with regards human illness and genetic diseases.

Plus they are scientists and can do whatever the fuck they like. THEY HAVE LASERS!
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:32, archived)

Your argument has convinced me wholly :)
LASERS! FTW?!?!
( Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! is putting the lice into Police Brutality since, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:45, archived)

"If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils.
I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!"
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:50, archived)

So I can make a cow with a pig's cock.

( Dekionplexis 322 Get it while you can - www.prisonplanet.com, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:34, archived)

strikes me as much ado about nothing
they're not growing them into minataurs, so what the hell difference does it make. they may come up with a cure for something out of their little collections of cells or it may go nowhere.
( god save the queen if in doubt shop the queen, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:35, archived)

BUT BUT
1) SANCTITY of LIFE!
2) FRANKENSTEIN experiments!
3) GOD'S will!
( Mushroom, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:37, archived)

i must object to your argument:
it's 'frankingstein', as everyone knows
( plentyofants, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:39, archived)

if you two were sitting in a class room you'd be a general studies lesson

( Sheehan forevermore owes Ttssattsr beer, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:40, archived)

Is it a coincidence that the countries that support genetic research
are also the countries with the biggest defence budgets? (America ,Britain and Israel)

They are trying to develop genetic weapons







/Is it Friday today?
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:50, archived)

Do you have any evidence for this?
Or any idea how embryos can lead to genetic weapons?
Or is this just wild conspiracy theory?
One of the reasons could be we're three countries which are heavily involved in this kind of research, and who have the budgets to do it.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:52, archived)

Every Nazi Soldier started out as an embryo
edit: also budget FRICKIN' LASERS
( mutster101 is honour-bound by a sacred trust., Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:55, archived)

And I'll be concerned as soon as they try to breed Nazis.

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:57, archived)

Wait a minute....
Aren't America vehemently against genetic research anyway? What with being filled with extremist Christians et al.
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:56, archived)

No they arent
The main proponants for GM food are American big business (Monsanto,etc)
to controll world food sources and make money





/IT IS FRIDAY!.....YEAH
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:02, archived)

So trying to breed hardier crops to prevent famine,
or which provide greater yields or whatever, is a bad thing too?
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:04, archived)

It is when the seeds cannot be saved for planting the next year
and the crop growers can only buy the seed from american business at an exorbitant price
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:11, archived)

So are you against any Science which can potentially be misused?

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:12, archived)

I am against anything that could cause mass killing
incl nuclear and biological weapons
and against racial and religious prejudice

and for the record I am a confirmed aetheist




/starts campaign to make every day a Friday (except Sat. and Sun.)
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:20, archived)

Of course, nuclear and biological weapons are morally indefensible.
Why are you choosing to direct your anger at medical science?
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:22, archived)

And let us ignore the fact that GM crops have created golden rice (I think it had a better name than that but I forget it)
which was normal rice but had Vitamin A added which could potentially stop the millions of deaths and permenant blindness which occurs in the third world. But let's ignore that and ban it on moral grounds, and let all the children die instead.
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:25, archived)

We were talking about human genetic research, genetically modified food sources have been going on for years.
And the majority of it doesn't even involve genetic splicing and is just intense research and selective breeding, selective breeding which has gone on for years.

Carrots used to be white until the 15th century or so, but I don't see you complaining about that.
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:06, archived)

Nuclear power stations were constucted to provide plutonium for bombs
Electricity was and still is an excuse
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:57, archived)

Okay.
Does this have anything to do with genetic research?
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:59, archived)

The excuse for genetic research
is to provide cures for disease


The reason for it is to genetically develop diseases that will kill arabs but not whites




/It should be Friday every day
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:07, archived)

Are you actually serious?
Please do reveal where you're getting these facts from.
I'm still a little confused as to how the military managed to convince the medical community that it's a good idea to do research aimed at killing Arabs.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:09, archived)

Yes
money
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:13, archived)

And your source for this is?
I'm in Medical Science myself. You can understand that I'm sceptical that a bit of cash would convince us to stop trying to help people and concentrate on killing them instead.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:16, archived)

That is actually physically and genetically impossible.
The fact that fruitflies share 60% of human disease genes, and they are an entirely different class let alone race, means that there are literally no differences between the immune systems of white people and arabs (and that's ignoring the fact that 'arab' isn't even a race).
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:14, archived)

But hey, let's not let that get in the way of groundless conspiracy theories.

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:17, archived)

"You can prove anything with facts.
I'm not interested in facts, I tend to find they cloud my judgement. I prefer to rely on instinct and blind ignorance."
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:22, archived)

Oh, I love that.

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:25, archived)

The gene in many Africaans of Dutch descent
(which can cause sickle cell anaemia) protecs them 100% from malaria
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:24, archived)

And therefore,
it follows logically that the government has hijacked genetic research into curing certain diseases which are currently incurable in order to kill people it doesn't like.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:31, archived)

The military and governments of many countries
hijack all research to evaluate their potential use against their enemies
eg..Anthrax,Neurotoxins,mustard gas,LSD,smallpox and others(saddam hussein)
Genetic engineering is just the latest


and it doesnt rely totally on medical doctors to do it
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:49, archived)

You realise that program about using smallpox as a biological weapon was fictional....

(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:50, archived)

So do you think genetic research should be stopped entirely, then?
Or indeed, should all Scientific research be abandoned?
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:51, archived)

Genetic engineering should be banned worldwide
genetic research is ok as long as it doesnt lead to genetic engineering
(CanonCaliber I'll laugh if you laugh, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 22:19, archived)

So you're cutting off a line of potentially useful research because it might possibly be corrupted?

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 22:22, archived)

It's actually that sickle cell anaemia protects one from malaria.
But given that you don't get malaria in England it's not much use round here. And actually if you read into it, the sickle cell anaemia suseptibility effects people of all ethnicities in any region where malaria is or was prevalent.

So that's just hereditary illnesses....not racial genetics.
(Jeru The Cunt of Monte Cristo, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:32, archived)

ah, splendid a conspiracy theory as well
for crying out loud don't tell the pope.
( god save the queen if in doubt shop the queen, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:54, archived)

no risk there
the pope doesn't actually exist, he's actually just trickery and flim-flam done with smoke and mitres.
( mutster101 is honour-bound by a sacred trust., Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:03, archived)

You mean the Pope didn't really fly to the moon?

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:04, archived)

CATBUS!
No wait, that's animal vehicle hybrids, those are totally illegal still. Shame.
( tomsk, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:40, archived)

TIGER PEOPLE

( Kallus speaks for the Spores, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:44, archived)

sitting on
www.b3ta.com/board/8242662
( Kallus speaks for the Spores, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:51, archived)

This should be the next compo.
Hybrids..something..something..I dunno.
( Dekionplexis 322 Get it while you can - www.prisonplanet.com, Tue 1 Apr 2008, 20:32, archived)

I'm still not quite convinced this news story isn't an April Fool's joke that slipped onto the BBC

( mutster101 is honour-bound by a sacred trust., Tue 1 Apr 2008, 21:00, archived)